“Why not?” – James Martin thinks gay men should be able to kiss in church

2017-09-16T19:06:19+00:00September 16th, 2017|Blog, The Church|

During his August 29, 2017 visit to Villanova University, James Martin spoke with gay Catholic journalist Brandon Ambrosino. During his interview with Martin, Ambrosino shared some of his struggles about being gay and Catholic; Ambrosino is a graduate student in theology at Villanova and currently engaged to his same-sex partner. In particular, Ambrosino mentioned the anxiety he experienced over his own personal reluctance to express physical affection for his partner in church during the “kiss of peace.” Martin sympathized and said:

I always say that LGBT people have more faith than straight people because of that. I mean imagine you, what you have just described is really interesting Brandon. You have internalized rejection already. You don’t even need to be told that you’re rejected in the Church, you’ve internalized it and that’s very sad. A lot of the people that Jesus came into contact with did the same thing. Think of like the woman with the hemorrhage who doesn’t even feel worthy to stand up and greet him, she reaches down and touches the hem of the garment; or the Samaritan women who comes to the well at noon in the heat of the day because, we think, she’s been married five times and she’s probably embarrassed. Maybe people didn’t know enough to tell her you’re not welcome to come out at the regular time when the other women come; she comes because she is embarrassed and she kinda internalized that and it’s sad. So I hope in ten years you will be able to kiss your partner or soon to be your husband. Why not? What’s the terrible thing?

Ambrosino has written extensively on the topic of homosexuality and same-sex marriage. In 2015, following the Obergefell decision, Ambrosino wrote:

The church clings to arguments about natural law and marriage the way that some in the early church held fast to circumcision. The theological task for today’s Christians is the same as it was for those in the first century: How can we open up the binding teachings of Christianity (marriage) to all who wish to pursue it? How can we remain faithful to the witness of Scripture in a way that honors what we continue to learn about human experience?
What this means is thinking about the word “natural” and finding ways to open up the definition to let in same-sex couples. What this means is not that we say, “Marriage is no longer a sacrament,” but rather, “Marriage is a sacrament that we feel God is opening up to same-sex couples.”

In 2017, he argued:

Why judge what is natural and ethical to a human being by his or her animal nature? Many of the things human beings value, such as medicine and art, are egregiously unnatural. At the same time, humans detest many things that actually are eminently natural, like disease and death. If we consider some naturally occurring phenomena ethical and others unethical, that means our minds (the things looking) are determining what to make of nature (the things being looked at). Nature doesn’t exist somewhere “out there,” independently of us – we’re always already interpreting it from the inside.

For my opinion about how James Martin is engaging the LGBT Catholic community – read here.

9 Comments

  1. Terrance J Nelson September 16, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    Thanks for bringing these issues to our attention – I did not know Fr. Martin approved and affirmed this stuff. Keep up the good work.

  2. Ed of Ct. September 17, 2017 at 3:41 am

    Get this apostates and others like him such as Roisica ,Paglia and Radcliff etc.,out of the Jesuits and the Vatican before they destroy what little is left of the rump cino not R.C. faith in the West. ……. Lord have mercy on these apostates homosexual agenda deviants promoted and protected by the Vatican itself..

  3. Chris September 17, 2017 at 8:43 am

    Joseph, you are a “voice crying in the wilderness” but you are not alone.
    There are other same-sex attracted people like us out there, that are glad that you are speaking truth. It helps to give us strength in our commitment to chastity.

  4. Rowena September 17, 2017 at 10:38 am

    Today, indeed our church need more prayers and sacrifices offers to our priest for some of them disobey the church teaching and worst change and affirm the flock to continue doing their sin instead of conversion. In some phrase of the article where it talks about the Samaritan woman, yeah Christ did not condemn the woman but he said sin no more,not on the other way around. I wish every Catholics should learn and give enough time to pray for our dear priest instead of criticizing them.

  5. Ljoch September 17, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    Wow. Just wow. Forget the fact that our Lord called these acts abominations. He sent two angels to that land to determine the truth and when they got there, they told Lot to stay inside. That the carnal knowledge meaning is intended here is also made clear in the context of what follows. Lot first calls their proposal a “wicked thing.” But just getting to know someone, or to greet a stranger, is not a wicked thing. Further that unlawful carnal knowledge is meant is also made clear in that Lot (horrifyingly) proposes that they have sex instead with his daughters “who have never slept with a man” (i.e. his virgin daughters). Read the bible! Also our Lord told his Apostles to go out and preach and if they were opposed it wouild be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for them. And we know how tolerable God wad ther.

  6. Lablover September 18, 2017 at 12:13 am

    Homosexuality is to natural as ISIS is to the religion of peace

  7. Lablover September 18, 2017 at 12:42 am

    Who is it that is saying people that are homosexual should show not up to church which is basically what Martin is accepting as true in this talk. Everyone who goes to church is a sinner. I think Bishop Fulton Sheen said the church is not a museum for saints its a hospital for sinners.
    The difference and that the chronically erring Martin seems not to understand is that those with other types of sins are at church to try to reconcile themselves to God while Martin is trying to push the sin of homosexuality to normalcy rather then the homosexuals trying to reconcile with God that what they do is sinful. Imagine wha comes next; the group that wants to make thievery normal, or heterosexual adultery normal or lying normal where does it stop?

    If kissing among homosexuals should be seen as acceptable at the representation of the sacrifice of our Lord should it be acceptable for the people who deal with the sin of stealing be allowed to take just a little out of the collection baskets?

    This man is absolutely dangerous. He is the 21st century Arius.

  8. Dorleen September 20, 2017 at 10:03 am

    This priest is misleading so many people, it’s sad,

  9. Frank Cioppa March 21, 2018 at 6:05 pm

    Has anyone else noticed how grammatically incoherent most of Fr. Martin’s remarks are?

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