Archdiocese of NY Catholic Parish Comes-Out in Support of Gay Marriage

2018-03-06T18:43:13+00:00August 19th, 2017|Blog, The Church|

On August 18, 2017, the official Facebook page for the Catholic LGBT ministry “Out at St. Paul,” located at the parish of St. Paul the Apostle in New York City, featured a link to an article by Australian Baptist Minster Simon Carey Holt; in addition, “Out at St. Paul” included the following statement and quotation from the article:

A beautiful reflection on Christian anthropology, the Church, and same-sex marriage from a pastor in Australia…

“If homosexuality is not a dysfunction of personhood, but an expression of one’s being and identity in God, then withholding from the LGBTI community the most commonly accepted expression of loving, covenant relationship is wrong. We Christians fight for the sanctity of marriage precisely because we believe it is more than a legal contract between two people. It is a sacred and public bond through which two people promise fidelity to each other, to the family they form, and in the presence of the community that surrounds them. To quote advocate for same-sex marriage Rodney Croome, ‘The kind of choices, commitments and sacrifices marriage entails run to the core of what makes us human.’ In my view, the argument to withhold these choices, commitments and sacrifices from same-sex couples in the context of marriage is not only a profound act of exclusion; it rests on dubious ground.”

In the same article, Holt wrote:

There is nothing that goes to the heart of human identity as much as our sexuality. It is that God-given reminder, persistent and powerful, that we are made for relationship—intimate, covenant relationship.

Jesuit James Martin has made some remarkably similar statements:

Saying that one of the deepest parts of a person—the part that gives and receives love—is “disordered” in itself is needlessly cruel.

During a June 16, 2017 Jesuitical podcast, Martin said:

God made you this way. You are wonderfully made, just like Psalm 139 says. You were knit together in your mother’s womb this way, you know, it’s a mystery why you were made this way, but this is part of your identity.

On July 16, 2017, James Martin, addressed “Out at St. Paul;” he had previously spoken to the group on March 2, 2017. In the past, Out at St. Paul sponsored and promoted a Mass at the site of the Stonewall Riots, “Vogue” dance classes, a “gay” Jesus, and an outing to a local gay bar. On several occasions, Martin has recommended both the Parish and Out at St. Paul (see video interview, and a Facebook live discussion.) Following his July appearance at Out at St Paul, to publicize his latest book, “Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter Into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity,” Martin posted pictures to his Facebook account from the event and thanked the following:

Thanks to Fr. Gil Martinez, CSP, the pastor; Xorje Olivares and everyone at “Out at St. Paul’s,” the LGBT outreach group at the parish; and everyone who came to the “Building a Bridge” event tonight.

Martinez is the Pastor at St. Paul the Apostle and the chaplain for Out at St. Paul. He had been an outspoken supporter of the group, specifically promoting the “Owning Our Faith” video series which was sponsored by Out at St. Paul and St. Paul the Apostle Parish. The videos feature testimonies from several Out At St. Paul members as well as “gay” and transgender advocates including dissident nun Jeannine Gramick who was officially sanctioned by the Vatican in 1999 and permanently prohibited from any pastoral work involving homosexuals and Warren Hall, a self-outed “gay” priest. Warren has since been suspended and in 2017 he wrote:

…I could not in good conscience take the Oath of Fidelity that all priests take upon ordination and when assuming a pastorate, namely, that I “accept and hold everything that is proposed by the hierarchy” and that I “adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings.”

Also included is an interview with a “gay” married couple, one of whom stated:

If we leave it, if we abandon the Church then it’s never going to change. So we have to continue living here, being an example and encouraging other people to be that example because that’s what’s going to change the Church.

And another “gay” man who said:

I think what’s interesting is that the Catholic Church probably thinks that it is accepting of gay people, because its message is ‘gay people exist and we should love them and not discriminate against them. But because the Church also tells gay people essentially that they need to be celibate, what the Church is saying is ‘you cannot live fully. You can be gay but you can’t live that life.’ And so that inherently is discriminatory.

Excerpts from “Owing Our Faith” are included in a video from James Martin, in which he addresses “5 common questions about ‘Building a Bridge.’”

Xorje Olivares is a prominent member of “Out at St. Paul” and an outspoken gay advocate and blogger.

In 2017, Olivares said in an interview:

I never felt this call to be celibate. I was surrounded by straight people and all the good kids were going to church, but you knew they were having sex anyway. So why do they get a pass but people like me don’t? I thought, well if he said God created me this way, then what issue would be taken with however way I choose to express myself? Now that I’ve become part of the particular church group that I’m in, this conversation about how unrealistic it is for LGBTQ+ people to be called to the celibate life when no one else is adhering to that. Straight people within the church are trying to control our lives because they want to be able to control it and make our sexuality more palatable for them, but more difficult for us to actually live it.

St. Paul the Apostle is the Mother Church of the Paulist Fathers; also in residence at St. Paul’s is Fr. David Dwyer, the host of the SiriusXM Radio program “Busted Halo.”

Contact: Cardinal Timothy Dolan
Phone: 212-371-1000

Contact: Monsignor Edward Weber
Phone: 212-371-1011 Ext. 2931
Email: Msgr.Edward.Weber@archny.org

2 Comments

  1. DisturbedMary August 21, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    You document the Catholic swamp. That Busted Halo guy is Dean Martin to Dolans Jerry Lewis on the cArdinals seriu s radio show about which there is nothing serious. Dolan is the swamp master making merry while giving matches to the gay clergy.. False gods prevail. Love you and pray for you Joseph.

  2. Marc Alcan September 4, 2017 at 1:18 am

    Simon Carey Holt says: “If homosexuality is not a dysfunction of personhood, but an expression of one’s being and identity in God, then withholding from the LGBTI community the most commonly accepted expression of loving, covenant relationship is wrong”

    Indeed, IF it were not a dysfunction what he wrote is all correct.

    IF.

    But since homosexuality IS A DYSFUNCTION, then to allow them to marry is to confirm them in dysfunction.

    To allow them to marry is therefore to go against the very essence of creation. In effect, it is a decreation, complete and total violence against the self.

    Well guess who hates human beings so much that he would like us to do violence to our very being. No other than Satan.
    So everyone who aids and abets and promotes this monstrosity is working for the devil.

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