The Confusion and the Casualties of the Gay Civil War in the Catholic Church

2018-08-24T01:38:38+00:00May 22nd, 2018|Blog, The Church|

In the 1990s, I attended a gay wedding ceremony at a Catholic Church in San Francisco – performed by a Catholic priest; friends and acquaintances had similar marriage “blessings” in San Francisco. As of a few years ago – when I spoke with another priest involved in these ceremonies, this practice continued. When I left the Castro in 1999, I thought my experiences with facilitating and lecherous priests were endemic to a relatively small section of the world ranging from the Castro to USF. Ten years later, went I started writing about the topic – I heard stories from Catholics (primarily mothers with a “gay” son) who lived in every part of the US, they told a similar tragic tale – how a concerned parent sent a confused kid to an officially sanctioned LGBT ministry in their diocese, and the boy later emerged as a gay-rights advocate; they also usually picked-up a boyfriend at these ministries. When I began my outreach in San Francisco to the LGBT community – and tried to have an honest discussion with someone about what the Church teaches, I heard the same thing over and over again: that is NOT what they teach at the local parish. Before I started this outreach, I thought my struggle would be with the secular gay community. No, that has not been the battle front. There is a gay civil war in the Church, those that stand up for truth are few and ill-equipped; we have almost no support from the hierarchy. While the gay-affirmative side controls entire parishes, LGBT ministers in almost every major Archdiocese (CMLGP in LA, Out at St. Paul in NYC, and AGLO in Chicago) they also determine who speaks at the largest gathering of Catholics in the US – the LA REC.

There are many others in: San FranciscoSeattleNew York CityChicagoLos AngelesMinneapolisBaltimoreSan DiegoBostonSan Joseand Portland.

Over the past ten years, because of this issue, I have teetered every day on the edge of leaving the Catholic Church. Beyond the physical and mental torments, I have suffered due to a decade I spent as a gay man, the Church has been my greatest source of suffering. It would be easy for me to leave the Church – then I would have peace. But I cannot abandon Christ as I once abandoned Him. He never left me.

I have a long history with this topic of homosexuality in the Roman Catholic Church. Within a few months of leaving San Francisco, a traditional community of priests took me in. I worked for them as a cook and house-cleaner. I thought they cared about me. Almost from the start, I witnessed strange goings-on in their house. I tried not to be suspicious, but I couldn’t help it. I shared my concerns with one of the priests – he then manipulated me into believing that my past had clouded by judgment. I kept silent. Their interest in me seemed peculiar. Later, I noticed more public instances of grooming young men. I had to get out of there. As a former sex abuse victim, I thought I was reliving the abuse. This almost destroyed me. Back in California, when another priest encouraged me to contact the local ordinary where the religious order was located – I did just that. I wasn’t treated well – like a liar. Horrible experience. This was just before the Boston scandal – and the diocese really did nothing. They denied it. A few years later, a boy sued the diocese. I got a subpoena to testify. In court, one of the defense lawyers reveals things about my past that only the priests knew through my confessions. Beautiful. The lawyer for the diocese sits there like a dunce. Never got an apology from anyone.

I have tried in all earnestly and charity to have a discussion with several bishops about the issue of gay-affirmative ministries within their dioceses – the universal reaction has been similar to what I experienced when I tried to report sex abuse – they throw up the shield, get a glazed look on their face, and treat you like the enemy. There is no place in the Catholic Church for someone who won’t be silent about the failure of the bishops to address this issue.

I take this very personally, in the 1990s, I had a wonderful and funny sad friend who always wavered on his alliance to being gay. I thought he was simply conflicted. The Catholic Church meant nothing to me. But it meant something to him. He struggled. Then he discovered John J. McNeill and a nearby gay-affirmative parish. Before that, I think he might have gotten out of the life. He didn’t. He died of AIDS before the introduction of antiretrovirals in 1994. Words have meaning – and consequences. But those who carelessly utter them, are usually not the ones that suffer – or die because of what they said. Its those who listened. I still find the Church complicit in his death. It haunts me to this day.

At age 17, a Catholic priest told me that God created me this way.

Over a decade later, I would talk to another Catholic priest, this time, I was suffering from an anal prolapse – God still made me gay.

When I crawled half-dead out San Francisco, I never thought I would have this conversation with Catholics. When I went to the Castro in 1988, it was the height of the AIDS crisis, but I didn’t care. I’d been alone my whole life, and I was willing to risk my life, if I could live like a human being for a few years rather than as a freak. Because I lived within a whole community of freaks – and they didn’t judge me. By the early-1990s, everyone was dying – of AIDS, drug overdoses, and suicide. The Castro became a death camp without any visible barbwire. But I wouldn’t leave. I had nowhere to go. The local Catholic Church had a rainbow flag hanging outside the front door. I watched as friends dropped into the grave, but I didn’t care – because I was alive.

Sometimes the greatest punishment endured by those who survive – is surviving. I can’t forget those I left behind. After seeing such carnage – I cannot understand why the gay experiment has not been abandoned like other failed utopian philosophies that resulted in mass murder – Fascism, Nazism, Communism. After over 300,000 gay men in the US alone have died of AIDS, that the Church allows this debate to continue is reprehensible.

When I hear those in the Catholic Church say – you were born gay, I think: My God, they are killing us.

37 Comments

  1. N May 22, 2018 at 12:09 pm

    Dear Joseph, although our crosses are not the same, you may find your strongest allies in the small-but-faithful community of faithful Catholic wives & husbands who have been abandoned by our spouses.

    When my husband left me (and our small children) 6 years ago, I flew to Mother Church for aid and succor. Not in the form of a speedy annulment (I knew my marriage to be valid), but looking for a kind and orthodox priest who would speak to my husband man-to-man about the gravity of the sin of divorce and the destruction he was meting out to his wife and children.

    All told, I spoke to five priests, two bishops, and one diocesan marriage counselor, and received this treatment, exactly: “they throw up the shield, get a glazed look on their face and treat you like the enemy.”

    On the other hand, my husband has been affirmed and assisted by the Church at every turn. As with you, one priest even shared with him the contents of my confession to help him in custody court (it backfired, but no one ever apologized to me, either).

    I have met a small group of faithful, abandoned spouses, and I can tell you that many of them, too, struggle daily with staying in the Church. One man calls us, “the cannon fodder of the Catholic culture wars” and that seems apt.

    Although our struggles are materially different, I feel like the daily impact on our souls is the same. I will pray for you, and I hope knowing that others share your loneliness and desolation – within the Church – and yet remain faithful, is helpful to you.

    • Patricia June 20, 2018 at 10:13 pm

      I too have had a similar experience. When I went to my parish priest who was my confessor, I was told -“these things happen” My response was “but father we have FOUR children!!” I do have an annullment which I believe now was a mistake. My ex has blown through the relationship he left me for and is now remarried to another woman – and they were allowed to marry after a four month engagement. . I’ve been told so many times to get over it all. But I received no help at all from the Church. Even my fellow Catholics are not so understanding. YOu are right – Joseph’s suffering and yours and mine are terrible. All we can do is suffer and fight on. We on the side of right.

  2. Fran Badura May 22, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    Joseph,
    I’m so glad you haven’t left the Church. I hope you never do. God is working through you mightily as His voice of Truth. Thank you for your website. I’ll be praying the Rosary today for you and your apostolate. Gold Bless You.
    Fran

  3. Serena May 22, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    Dear Joseph,
    I’m sorry for everything you had to go through and still have to go through.
    Like Camille Paglia said, the “gay” experiment of a world totally without women failed miserably, the male sex drive consuming everything (even now that AIDS can be managed, new cancers and diseases spring up from anal sex; nature’s basically telling us “don’t do that”). Before the 1800’s, the concept of “homosexual” didn’t even exist; even in the mythical eras (for gay propaganda) of Greece and Rome homosexuality was confined to educational pederasty and rich men abusing younger servants. Even the history of the modern homosexual movement is tied to figures such as Oscar Wilde, Andrè Gidè, Harry Hays, Harvey Milk who stood more for pederasty (sometimes outright pedophilia) than love between two equal males. Monogamous love between two equal males, the way homosexuality is presented to the public, seems to me like a fiction, if not in all the cases then in most of them. Thrusting a young confused man into the gay scene is not a good thing indeed, telling him he was born that way a recipe to God knows what illnesses and dysfunctions you can catch in the gay community.

  4. John the Mad May 22, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    And now the pope himself has stated to a man engaged in the homosexual life, “God made you this way.” Lord have mercy. Christ have mercy. Lord have mercy.

  5. Diane May 22, 2018 at 3:47 pm

    I praise God you are standing strong and are being a faithful witness, Joseph, despite so much pain you’ve experienced through Catholic clergy and the false teaching on homosexual identity you confront. My pain is not on par with whatvyours has been, but as an Evangelical I left the Protestant faith and identity I once loved and believed with all of my heart to become Catholic in obedience to Jesus because I became convinced the CC is His Church and that conflicting Protestant beliefs are erroneous. It was very painful. I now love the Catholic Faith. But, it’s difficult to be in the Church at this time with so much scandal and divisiveness. The sex abuse scandal broke soon after I reluctantly becomie Catholic. Very discouraging. But my husband and I remain faithful Catholics regardless of the faithlessness of some of Christ’s shepherds in the highest positions of the Church and those Protestants in our lives who challenge us based on the scandals they see in the Church and their deeply embedd mistrust of and misinformation concerning the Catholic Church. We focus on the beauty of the Church’s sacraments and teachings, the saints holiness and writings, Christ’s promise that the gates of hell will not prevail. Thank you for “swimming upstream” and for remaiing obedient and faithful to Christ as you publicly take the stand you do. May our Lord Jesus Christ continue to impart to you His strength and grace sufficient for your walk with Him and your mission.

  6. Shirley Dunnells May 22, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    Dear Joseph, I am so sorry for your great suffering. I have nothing but humble admiration for your courage and faith. May all of us struggling to maintain hope and faith in Holy Mother Church emulate your honesty and bravery. I pray for you and for all speaking truth to power in these turbulent times.

  7. Tom May 22, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    Thanks for this article Joe. It’s important to let the wider Church community know how the lack of pastoral leadership is hurting so many of the faithful.

    Please know that folks like me and many others are praying for you and those in similar situations. That God will continue to give you strength and will not give you more of a load than you can handle. And please remember to offer your sufferings in prayer for those of us who struggle with our own, different crosses. We all have them. Some are bigger than others, and some have longer paths to tread.

    Your article prompts me to make two further comments.

    First – when temptation comes to throw up our hands and think the Church is beyond repair, that we should leave so that it won’t take us down with it, we must remember that it is divinely instituted in and by Truth. It is the deposit of Truth in this world and no corrupt number of priests or bishops can change that, despite how they obscure it. We have to work to know the Truth, and thankfully we have Scripture, the Fathers, and the authoritative teaching of the Church over the centuries. We must continue to learn and to teach others that the musings and dictates of any parish priest or parish council, have NO authority to change or challenge the Truth.

    Second – we must remember that priests are completely human just like us. I think sometimes the revelations of the sexual abuse crisis have been double-edged sword. On one hand we have rid ourselves of most of the pederasts, and criminal perverts. This of course is good and overdue. But I think so many of us instinctively want/hope to assume that those priests who are not outed perverts are therefore “good” priests or bishops. And this of course is a foolish conclusion. And in a sense, it sets the bar of what counts as being a good priest at “he wasn’t obviously a pervert.” And we must remember that is no threshold for sanctity or even decency. Indeed many of the priests leftover, who were ordained before say 2008, knew of the abuse and grooming going on in seminaries and parishes and did nothing. They would satisfy nobody’s definition of good and decent men. They are men who are more than willing to bow to peer pressure, turn away while evil is done, and souls are lost. This is the truth! And we should not be surprised that it infests every aspect of their being and ministry. What can we do? Pray for good vocations. Keep the pressure on seminaries and bishops to assure good, strong-willed men are only ordained. Speak out on social media to document when this is not happening. And know that their are good men in the priesthood and that like seeking out any good professional service, it should be expected that you have to seek them out to find them. Hopefully most of the new seminarians are not sexual perverts or spineless cowards these days.

    Keep the faith, and keep doing this work. You are making a difference.

  8. Therease Judge May 22, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    Dearest Joseph; as a cradle Catholic hanging on to Our Lord while watching the devastation of our Church, I would like to say how grateful I am for your awesome article. I have been struggling with what I am seeing and storming heaven with prayers that I can stay faithful to the iChurch. By sharing your viewpoint, I am no longer struggling. Through you words of truth and light I ask myself, “where would I go”. Sound familiar?

    If you can experience what you have and still stay, I can stand proudly beside you.

    Thank you, Joseph, pray fo me, I will for you. There are many of us, it just feels as though we are alone. See you in Heaven !!

  9. Ger May 22, 2018 at 6:09 pm

    Dear brother in Christ,

    Yes! Sometimes it seems like we’re always at the wrong side of history: When we lived as gay men, family and friends turned their back on us; now, when we are trying to let God rebuild our life, it’s the State, the society and even the Church who seem to be against us. But let’s face the truth: This has never been a battle against “enemies of flesh and blood”, but against “forces and powers of evil floating in the air”.

    The devil is a very real character, whose purpose is no other than to “steal, kill and destroy”: He did that to us when we were living as gays, and he’ll keep on doing it to us now when we are trying to live a different life, the life which Christ has given to you and me when he died up there on that blessed cross, and when he rose up from the dead three days later. He was beaten, called a liar, a blaspheme, he was betrayed by his own friends, persecuted, and the list goes on and on! Why should it be any different for us? He’s the master, and we don’t even have the dignity of being his disciples… Yet, he calls us brothers, disciples, apostles and missionaries, not because we’re worthy of the title, but because of his mercy.

    The devil will always try to “reinterpret” our histories under a shadow of demise. But the truth is God can and will turn them into beacons of His light, as glorious as the empty cross at which Christ was hung, as the most famous grave in this world (on top of which a great Basilica stands today)

    Just be humble, man. Humble and thankful because God has given you more than anyone ever; and because you may not know how many people YOU have saved from the gates of hell with your brave testimony (Glory be due to Christ, Our saviour) Jews often say that when you save one life, one single life, it’s like you have saved the entire humankind. Yet, God will not let you know the number, so you don’t get proud and take away the glory from Him. Trust me, you’ve done more than you think, and God will let you know it in Heaven!

    In the end, perhaps the Church will shrink, and only a few of us, tiny and faithful, will remain to shout to the world that God loves everyone with arms wide open, nailed to a cross in a pure act of love, to rip them off from the claws of Satan, to live eternally in His presence as one flock in Christ, behind a single shepherd (Saint Peter).

    May peace be with you, brother, from Mexico.

    • Joseph Sciambra May 22, 2018 at 10:09 pm

      God bless you my friend.

  10. Tom May 22, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    God bless you! Your courageous devotion to the truth is an inspiration and example to us all. Our Church ‘s and our own timidity on this issue is shameful. Please continue in your mission of speaking the truth in love—heroically and humbly. Truly, thank you.

  11. Ultima forsan May 22, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    Please don’t leave. Your words, too, have great meaning and consequences that I’m sure you never see. I’m sorry for the betrayal you have suffered and still experience from the Church. God is not fooled. Please continue your important ministry proclaiming Truth, which falls like rain in a desert. I have been deeply touched and edified over the years, reading your essays. I will pray for you every day.

  12. Laura Yunque May 22, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    Thank you for your honest witness to the Truth. With all of the insanity within the Church, I myself have been tempted to leave. However, you said it best that you will not abandon Jesus for He did not abandon you. Same here. God bless you.

  13. Father John May 22, 2018 at 10:20 pm

    Joseph, I found your website and blog a few months ago. Every time I read it, it breaks my heart. My beautiful Bride, the Catholic Church, has been dragged through the mud by so many priests and bishops. I witnessed it first hand in the seminary and with some of my brother priests. They are truly lost and I fear for their souls. You are doing God’s work with your exposing of this satanic lifestyle. God bless you

  14. gc May 22, 2018 at 11:18 pm

    Except for the specific crisis of homosexuality, the following quote sounds like something i have said many times. My cross is the rampant Divorcism (aka modern annulment) in the Church. Identical experiences w Church and its embedded Divorcist activists.

    “Over the past ten years, because of this issue, I have teetered every day on the edge of leaving the Catholic Church. Beyond the physical and mental torments I have suffered due to a decade I spent as a gay man, the Church has been my greatest source of suffering.
    It would be easy for me to leave the Church – then I would have peace. But I cannot abandon Christ as I once abandoned Him. He never left me.”

    The spiritual genocide I have experienced is like being abused by your parent who you want and should love. God uses the available, not the able. I cannot abandon Him.

  15. Mary Henry May 23, 2018 at 4:46 am

    Joseph thank you for your words because they testify to the Love of God.!
    The reports of Pope Francis’ words to Juan Carlos the victim of a Chilean clerical pedophile screeched like a demonic laugh as they blew up all over the news.
    Having known many hx males in my life and listening to them compassionately , with the exception of one, whose father is abusive to his mother and suffers with decades long prescription opiate dependency, each and every young man has told me about their first encounter with sex with an older male . They all know in their hearts that was when they began to form a same sex attraction. The saddest ones to me filled up with tears as they recounted a life long search for love and fidelity.They were usually the older ones. Your written testimonials saves souls and lives for those with the courage to read them.

  16. Kathleen May 23, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    Joseph, I don’t pity you, I love you with a Christian love for a brother in Christ. Don’t give up on Holy Mother Church for it is filled with those of us who are true believers yearning to bring the truth and love of Christ to the world; those such as yourself. My prayers are for your peace.

  17. Captain Obvious May 23, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    Joseph, I love your writing, and, above all, your personal writing. When I have read some of your more “watchdog-ish” pieces, I sometimes feel you may be being a bit harsh, singling out individual prelates and priests.
    With this latest piece, especially the matter about the contents of your sacrental confessions being exposed in a legal setting, I can see a lot better where you’re coming from.

  18. Bernadette May 24, 2018 at 1:02 am

    Dear Joseph,
    I really felt for you, after reading this article. You speak the truth of what the church is like in some places. Please don’t give up on the Catholic church, as it is going through this great chastisement itself. Mark Mallat speaks very well about these issues on his blog, if you have not read him before. there are many very faithful priests and bishops, often times in our rural areas of the country – keep seeking them out. Give yourself over in consecration to our Blessed Mother – travel to Lourdes, Fatima or even better, Medjugorje, where you will find true faith alive and well, and healing for the wounds you have experienced!
    Blessings to you and lots of prayers coming your way!

  19. Potamiaena May 25, 2018 at 3:53 am

    The Church is Christ’s cross.

    We need you and your ministry and your brave and heroic words. We will continue to pray for you.

  20. Father May 25, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    Dear Joseph,
    I am a priest whose bishop was (thankfully past-tense, for he retired recently) a gay activist and a masochistic tyrant to any priest who wouldn’t join the bandwagon or at least shut up about faith and morals. I can tell you with certainty that the discouragement, while it is depressing and painful, can also be a source of strength. I am a much better priest than I would have been had I never been “forced” to make a choice: either cower in fright (which, unfortunately, most of my brother priests did/do) or stand up to the bishop and the “chosen ones” in positions of authority in the diocese and accept the consequences of being Catholic. Speaking the unwanted truth to the man who ordained me and who should have been mentoring me, protecting me, and encouraging me in holiness and the fullness of Faith but who instead despised me and the Church was extremely difficult and at one point I almost gave up. Spiritual depression is deadly to both priest and layman alike. Fortunately, I came out of it after a long, hard struggle and, try as he might, from that point on the bishop of my diocese (nor the bishop of Rome!) could rattle me regardless of what anti-Catholic stance he took., no matter the belittlings, no matter the terrible assignments given.

    You, too, can pull through this. Just because so many bishops and priests have chosen homosexual activism as their personal means of damnation, that doesn’t mean that you have to travel that wide and easy path with them. Don’t let the demons and demoniacs get you!

    • Joseph Sciambra May 25, 2018 at 6:42 pm

      Thank you Father for your bravery. God bless you.

    • Father John May 27, 2018 at 12:11 am

      As a brother priest, thank you. It is no surprise that we have a shortage of vocations to the priesthood. It has been coordinated. I know from experience in my religious order. God bless you Father. And may God bless and protect Joseph as he continues to expose this satanic cult within our Catholic Church

  21. david May 27, 2018 at 6:36 pm

    dear Joseph
    I compare what you have described to the serious heresies that plagued the church throughout the centuries like Gnosticism, Protestantism – in all its varieties, Jansenism …. All of them wrecked havoc among the faithful and caused great pain. But God always stirs up saints to fight them. I am sure Joseph that with your writings you are helping young people realise what is the authentic catholic faith and perhaps you are inspiring future saints.

    Keep it up and be sure I pray for you

  22. Katie May 29, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    Dear Joseph,

    My prayers are with you. Please know that your witness is needed here in the church. In this confusing time, you are a voice of clarity and truth, and one that I turn to because you truly know what you are talking about. Your voice helps to keep me strong in support of the Church’s true teachings; your story illustrates for me the difference between misguided mercy and true compassion. It is hard being the support for so many and yet having little support yourself. Your crown at the end of this race will truly be a glorious one.

  23. Joseph, too June 23, 2018 at 5:50 pm

    Your story has given me a sliver of hope. I am a lapsed Catholic. I have been living a closeted life for almost 30 years and I feel like I am drowning in sin. I need air. I do not attend mass because of this. Deep down inside I know that my soul aches for my sinful ways, yet I feel powerless to stop this behavior anymore. I feel beaten. I have prayed about this for most of my life, yet I feel like I am not heard because of the sexual sins that I have committed, including with married men. I am disgusted with myself.

    Has the devil accomplished his goal with me? Will I ever feel like a normal man? Will I be accepted as a genuinely sincere Christian if my past is ever revealed? Is their a priest that will hear my confession who will not throw me out of the Catholic church? Sometimes, I go to bed with a desire to just die in my sleep. Yet, I realize that my soul will be destined to hell at that point as I have lived such a deplorable life. I am so embarrassed to discuss this openly with anyone, and frankly, I am so tired. Please pray for me.

    • A mother August 24, 2018 at 3:14 am

      I am the mother of a young man with same sex attraction. He is a very good person with a very big problem, and I love him and pray for him daily. I will pray for you as well. Please know that God sees the struggles you are going through, and loves as His child. Please allow yourself to go to Mass, even if you cannot receive Holy Communion. Please consider contacting the Courage ministry, who will surely help you find a priest and other guidance. Please pray for my son, and for peace and strength for yourself as well.

  24. Fran Macadam June 24, 2018 at 6:19 am

    I don’t believe for a moment that not belonging to the Roman Catholic organization is either abandoning Christ or being abandoned by Him.

  25. Mary June 27, 2018 at 4:18 am

    My heart is so moved by all shared here. I had to stop reading and just pray. We must never give in to despair but hold fast to our Lord and His Blessed Mother to the end. There is great apostasy in Holy Mother Church which grieves our Lord’s heart. We may feel as if we are alone, but we aren’t. We may be few but He is faithful always. Thank you all for sharing, especially you Joseph. Be of courage, He will use you to help souls in the prison of sin. This IS a spiritual war and we can be confident we are on the right side of this battle! My love and sincere prayers for you Joseph and all who shared🙏🏻🛡⚔️

  26. Rachel August 24, 2018 at 4:01 am

    How lonely you must’ve felt when you entered into what you thought was a house of shepherds and saw the devils tail under their cassock. I can’t imagine the Church without you Joseph. Thank you for your vulnerability and strength. I hope my sons are like you one day. (2 and 9 years old)

  27. Ken Pahr August 24, 2018 at 4:08 am

    Joseph too: Thank you for sharing your ongoing struggles with sin. I will include you in my Rosary tonight.
    Please do not stop praying. Pray for forgiveness, mercy, and the strength to overcome your sin. Pray to our blessed Mother as well. She has been given so much power to help us defeat Satan.
    Go to Church but do not partake in the Eucharist until you are in a state of grace, which means you have gone to confession and have not committed a mortal sin since.
    Listen, God will give you the strength to defeat your mortal sin through his grace. Don’t ever give up. You will have relapses because the sin is like a really difficult to remove stain that requires several treatments to completely remove. But over time, you will go longer periods in between sinning and eventually you will commit that sin no more.
    You can obtain the glory of Heaven. Don’t lose hope!! You, like me and almost everyone, will probably spend a LONG time in purgatory for purification but that’s ok because we deserve it and we will still eventually get to Heaven.
    God loves you, Mary loves you, I love you. The entire Church of God loves you. Don’t ever give up!

  28. Ceolfrith August 24, 2018 at 9:25 am

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  29. Bill August 24, 2018 at 8:11 pm

    Thank you. You are helping an institution in denial come closer to admitting it is sick. It’s not there yet, but without people like you, it will die a slow death.

  30. Dom August 27, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    Joseph, brother, don’t speak of leaving the Church, we need you! God bless you soldier.

  31. Crystal August 28, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    Thank you so much Joseph! You are in our prayers. Please don’t leave the church. We need you! I have a brother with same sex attraction. I love him so much and I love all our gay brothers and sisters…they need the truth with love. You are doing that!

  32. Bonnie Belknap October 19, 2018 at 1:18 am

    I stumbled onto this discussion and it speaks to my own struggles of the past few years. It was a different issue but still the same “shield ” went right up.

    These pro gay priests and parishes are ruining the Church. Also the lack of compassion. But mainly the lack of integrity of many clergy.

    I have returned to the Church. She needs us now.

    Dont give up the fight.

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