The Deep Gay State in the Catholic Church: Pro-Gay Priest Moved to Los Angeles

2018-08-23T20:56:35+00:00August 22nd, 2018|Blog, The Church|

On March 17, 2018, Jesuit priest James Martin spoke about Catholic LGBT outreach at the Los Angeles Religious Education Congress.  Martin began his presentation by stating:

The Church has a responsibility to make everyone feel visible and valuable. Visible. Recognizing that LGBT Catholics exist has important pastoral implications. It means carrying out ministry that some dioceses and parishes already do well. Particularly in this Archdiocese, I know many parishes for example, I know St. Monica’s, that has a flourishing LGBT ministry. The parish that I go to, the Church of St. Paul the Apostle in New York, which is where this picture is from. [A photo of various members from the Out at St. Paul ministry appears on the overhead screen.] That’s the Pastor Gil Martinez, and the group Out at St. Paul…a flourishing ministry.

What is Out at St. Paul and who is Gil Martinez?

Out at St. Paul (OSP) is a dissident gay-affirmative LGBT ministry located in New York City at St. Paul the Apostle Parish – the motherhouse of the Paulist Fathers. OSP has a long history of gay-affirmative pastoral practices and public statements in support of same-sex marriage. On May 15, 2018, Out at St. Paul, hosted a “Rooftop Social” at gay sports bar Boxers in Hell’s Kitchen.  However, this is not the first time Out at St. Paul has held meetings at gay bars. On March 22, 2017, Out at St. Paul hosted a “Spring Social” at the Hell’s Kitchen gay bar Bottoms Up. Then again, on January 31, 2018, they hosted their “Winter Social” at the Rise gay bar in Hell’s Kitchen. In the past, Out at St. Paul sponsored and promoted “your favorite queer saint,” “countertraditions” to Adam and Eve, and “Christian” theories in support of same-sex marriage.

On June 16, 2018, concerning an article from the gay-periodical “The Advocate,” in which they reported that Pope Francis’s “definition of a family excludes same-sex couples,” Out at St. Paul stated: “Pope Francis is wrong.”

On August 3, 2018, OSP posted the following message to their official Facebook page:

Yesterday, Pope Francis declared the death penalty inadmissible in all cases. It shows us that Catholic teaching can and does change over time (or, “develop,” using theological terminology). Pope Francis specifically called for the language in the catechism to be altered. He has the power to recognize other “developments” in doctrine as well.

This is why we push for the language about LGBTQ people in the catechism to change. We are not, and have never been, “intrinsically disordered.” It is time for the Church to listen to LGBTQ believers and recognize the harm that its official doctrine has caused to millions of people around the world.

Out at St. Paul is a favorite of James Martin. On July 16, 2017, Martin, addressed Out at St. Paul; he previously spoke to the group on March 2, 2017. On several occasions, Martin has recommended both the Parish and OSP (see video interview, and a Facebook live discussion.) Following his July 2017 appearance at OSP, to publicize his latest book, “Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter Into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity,” Martin posted pictures to his Facebook account from the event and thanked the following:

Thanks to Fr. Gil Martinez, CSP, the pastor; Xorje Olivares and everyone at “Out at St. Paul’s,” the LGBT outreach group at the parish; and everyone who came to the “Building a Bridge” event tonight.

On June 15, 2017, Martin recommended Out at St. Paul on his official Twitter account.

On his Facebook page, Martin wrote:

Dear friends: “Out at St. Paul” is one of the most dynamic Catholic LGBT ministries in the country, and probably the world. It is a ministry of the Church of St. Paul the Apostle in New York City, just next door to our Jesuit community. They shared this video with me and asked me to share it with you. May it give hope to parishes who are striving to be welcoming places for everyone. 

In 2016, dissident gay priest James Alison spoke at the Parish; he once said: My disagreement with the current teaching of the Roman Congregations is about what I consider to be their fundamentally flawed premise of the objectively disordered nature of the inclination.

During a 2014 lecture sponsored by OSP, entitled: “Sodomites? Really?,” Fr. Michael Holleran argued, among other things, that the Sodom and Gomorrah story had “nothing” to do with homosexuality, as, according to him “they must be understood in the context of their time.” With regards to the Church’s teachings on homosexuality, according to Holleran, they are built upon “shaky ground.”  He said:

“…if a sincere gay person, for example, is struggling with his or her own inner discovery, then says let me look at Scripture – oh, it doesn’t say what they always said if you look at it from this point of view…then maybe my experience does have some validity…On the levels of truth that everything is infallible – This is on shaky ground according to the way it’s been presented to me and been presented over the centuries, then I actually have not only a right but a duty maybe to start questioning this. And to say maybe my experience – What Jesus is saying to me now! What the spirit is saying to the Churches now! …is something really important that we need to hear.”

During a “Gay Spirituality” retreat held at St. Boniface Catholic Church in Brooklyn, Holleran claimed that “gay” men are more receptive to spirituality because they practice anal sex:

“…men hate church and spirituality because they have to sit still and they have to be receptive. There is nothing more threatening to a male than being receptive. I mean, think about it sexually – maybe that’s why gay men are more ready for it.” 

On May 19, 2018, Cardinal Joseph Tobin, one of a handful of Catholic Cardinals to publicly praise  James Martin’s book “Building a Bridge,” celebrated the ordination Mass for the Paulist Fathers at St. Paul the Apostle Church.

The Development Team for “Owning Our Faith” included two Paulist priests: Fr. Gilbert Martinez, the former Pastor of St. Paul the Apostle Parish, and Fr. Mark-David Janus, President of Paulist Press, the publishing arm of the order.

Gil Martinez is the former chaplain for Out at St. Paul. He had been an outspoken supporter of the group, specifically promoting the “Owning Our Faith” video series which was sponsored by OSP and St. Paul the Apostle Parish. In 2015, Martinez traveled to Rome and personally gave a copy of the video “Owning Our Faith” to both Pope Francis and Cardinal Walter Kasper. On March 5, 2018, Cardinal Kasper celebrated Mass at St. Paul the Apostle. The video features testimonies from several OSP members as well as “gay” and transgender advocates including dissident nun Jeannine Gramick who was officially sanctioned by the Vatican in 1999 and permanently prohibited from any pastoral work involving homosexuals and Warren Hall, a self-outed “gay” priest. Warren has since been suspended and in 2017 he wrote:

…I could not in good conscience take the Oath of Fidelity that all priests take upon ordination and when assuming a pastorate, namely, that I “accept and hold everything that is proposed by the hierarchy” and that I “adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings.”

Also included is an interview with a “gay” married couple, one of whom stated:

If we leave it, if we abandon the Church then it’s never going to change. So we have to continue living here, being an example and encouraging other people to be that example because that’s what’s going to change the Church.

And another “gay” man who said:

I think what’s interesting is that the Catholic Church probably thinks that it is accepting of gay people, because its message is ‘gay people exist and we should love them and not discriminate against them. But because the Church also tells gay people essentially that they need to be celibate, what the Church is saying is ‘you cannot live fully. You can be gay but you can’t live that life.’ And so that inherently is discriminatory.

A transgender member of OSP stated:

My gender transition was immensely spiritual to me. It was a journey…I think a lot of people think of this as just a physical journey, they just look at the physical aspects of transition, but it’s an emotional one, it’s a spiritual one.

Excerpts from “Owing Our Faith” are included in a video from James Martin, in which he addresses 5 common questions about ‘Building a Bridge.’”

In residence at St. Paul the Apostle Parish is Fr. David Dwyer, the host of the SiriusXM Radio program “Busted Halo.” Cardinal Timothy Dolan is a frequent guest on the show. Other parishes in the Archdiocese of New York which offer highly gay-affirmative LGBT ministries include: St. Francis of Assisi, The Church of the Blessed Sacrament, St. Ignatius, St. Francis de Sales, and the Church of the Ascension.

In 2016, while in Rome, Martinez and Mark-David Janus met with Cardinal Edwin O’Brien. 

On July 1, 2018, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles approved Martinez as Pastor at the Paulist parish St. Paul the Apostle in Los Angeles.


  1. susan August 23, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    I’m gonna organize senior citizens who are “invisible” and not “valuable” in the Church also (well, not too much anywhere.) But we’re staying cause we need the church for our funerals. And don’t mess with us, our subculture has canes and we’re not afraid to use them.

  2. DisturbedMary August 23, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    Mmmm. Given the smell of fish in the air these days, I took a look at the new parish that Gil is pastoring. Good news. They don’t seem to have a public Out group yet. Bad news. Plenty more fish to fry…. There is a parish school…. Martinez’ Paulist ministry includes both the campus ministry at UCLA. AND Paulist Productions…, the new Associate is Fr. Ryan Casey, just recently ordained at St. Pauls in NY by (drum roll please) none other than nighty-night Cardinal Joe Tobin of Newark.

  3. Tony August 29, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    I have been a parishioner for many years. I started to go to “young adult” mass recently with my adult son. Quickly realized that it was overtaken by OSP. My son was never called upon to serve as a lector (despite the pastor always asking him) – he was not part of the “out” crowd. Very upset to learn that St.P has become a “gay” church. Even at other masses, LGBT is always worked into the homily and announcements. Thanks Joe, you are spot on.

  4. Beans August 30, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    Man shouldn’t lie with another man

  5. Jennifer R August 30, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    This has been falsely allowed. Jesus said homosexuality acted on is sin. What do these schismatic religious not get?! The LGBT community is decrying discrimination…yes, Jesus discriminated, if that’s what you want to label it. You follow the ways of God, which are quite frankly spelled out throughout scripture, or you don’t and walk away, instead of trying to conform Jesus to your beliefs. It doesn’t work that way.
    I’m aghast that this thinking, promotion and behavior has been able to proliferate in the Church. Maybe she has gotten too big to keep tabs on; esp with ability of social media to promote false beliefs of the CORE CHURCH that has been this way for 2 millennia.
    The notion that the Church is outdated is unequivocally absurd. God is out of space and time. What was relevant and True then is relevant and True now. People need to take responsibility for there choices against God, nor try to conform their beliefs and lifestyles by changing His Church.

  6. Wendy Gardner August 30, 2018 at 6:13 pm

    When all this is going on, and priests are admitting they couldn’t accept the vows they were supposed to uphold, and Francis knows about it–all the “Spiritual Leaders” know about it–and do NOTHING, how are we supposed to get our young to think this Church is at all serious?
    They see all these people receiving Communion after proudly breaking all the rules, and scandal after scandal, and we expect them to respect the Church.
    It’s not just one thing that is driving them away, it’s everything together, as if our Church leaders are determined to push the envelope, until all the traditional people get disgusted and leave.

  7. Donald Link August 30, 2018 at 6:43 pm

    Would someone please explain to me how the present situation is better than fifty years ago when one could comfortably be in the closet, follow the same rules as everyone else to worthily receive Communion and go on with their lives. Today, the activities cited are not just an occasion of sin, they are encouragement to sin. Recall something about a millstone about the neck for such persons. Despite the lack of catechetical teaching by those whose job it is, I doubt the rules have been changed in the place where it really counts.

  8. Franco September 1, 2018 at 2:46 am

    The Catholic Church is in serious trouble. I keep hearing the typical quote…you know…don’t worry “the gates of hell will not prevail”. Well hell may not prevail but the Catholic Church’s Bishops, Cardinals, and now a Pope seem determined to not only open the Church doors to let it in, but some go on excursions to Hell’s favorite gay bars and pal around with pedophile Cardinals in the Vatican.

    This Pope has to go, his behavior in disciplining abusers and addressing these scandals is appaling.
    The Gay clergy has to go. It does not take a genius to figure out if you put gay men in an all male clergy that is supposed to be chaste and which is supoosed to minister to young men, you are going to put those men in tremendous temptation and the are going to fall. Then you get gay sex networks going on that victimize children and seminarians.

    So ask yourself, is the leadership of the Catholic Church really that stupid that they do not get this obvious fact or is it corrupted by paganism? Are the either quieted by fear or virtue signal pandering to the pagan culture that is now in control of Western Civilizations moral values? Answer…all of the above.

    Men and women with same sex attraction can be and are Catholics, that is not the problem. Being in the clergy or religious communites is a problem, it is an inappropriate circumstance to be placed into, the same as it would be inappropriate to put heterosexual nuns living with heterosexual priests.

  9. Rodger Smith September 1, 2018 at 2:05 pm

    What in the world dies a Bishop allow such groups who are totally against church teaching and Bible scripture to exist. Definitely time to drain the Catholic sewer.

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